Q+A: Paul Holmes Interviews Colin Craig
Sunday 13 May, 2012
Sunday 13 May,
2012
Paul Holmes Interviews Colin
Craig
Colin Craig won’t apologise for
comment on promiscuous young women in New
Zealand.
Stresses that men are just as, if not more,
responsible – sees major problem in men not supporting
their kids.
“I’m not a church-goer. I would
call myself a Christian.”
Opposes National’s
$520 million spend on welfare reform.
Craig accuses
National of “political correctness”.
Paul:
“Do you think the time may come where the Nats will have
to deal with you?”
Colin: “I think it
will.”
Craig opposes gay marriage: “I actually
don’t think the majority of New Zealanders want to
redefine marriage.”
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PAUL
HOLMES INTERVIEWS COLIN CRAIG
PAUL
HOLMES
Conservative Party leader Colin Craig is with me. Good
morning.
COLIN CRAIG - Conservatives
Leader
Good morning,
Paul.
PAUL
Do you still believe that young New Zealand women
are the most promiscuous in the world, or amongst the most
promiscuous in the
world?
COLIN
Yes, and I did say that based on the evidence that
I have.
PAUL
What is the
evidence?
COLIN
They evidence is the International Sexuality
Description Project. 100 scientists cooperating around the
world. A one poll survey done for Marie Claire - nearly
100,000 respondents - and what doctors and front line
gynaecologists are
telling.
PAUL
Did you use the Durex survey on the
internet?
COLIN
No, I didn’t, and people have been quoting it,
but if someone has a copy and wants to send it to me, that
would be
great.
PAUL
See, these are opinions, though, aren’t they? Is
it your experience that New Zealand women are amongst the
most promiscuous in the
world?
COLIN
Well, I can’t say that it’s my experience,
obviously. I think most people know I’m a married man, and
I’ve made my choice to live a certain
way.
PAUL
What does promiscuous
mean?
COLIN
Well, if I use what the scientists say it means, it
means sex outside of a committed
relationship.
PAUL
I think if you go on to the Wikipedia, you read the
expression ‘one night stand’ when you look up
promiscuous as
well.
COLIN
I guess that could be, yeah, another way of
describing
it.
PAUL
But, see, the disturbing thing about what you said
is we all know what promiscuous means. It means you’re
putting it about, you’re sleeping around, and the common
word, really, for promiscuous is slut. Are you saying that
New Zealand women are amongst the sluttiest in the
world?
COLIN
Well, I think the problem with that word is
you’ve immediately made it just about the
women.
PAUL
What the hell is the difference between sluttiest
and
promiscuous?
COLIN
Well, if you look at what I’ve said both on radio
and what I’ve released, I’ve made sure that I’ve
talked about the men’s responsibility as well. Because
this is a discussion about personal responsibility. And I
think the men, as I’ve said, are just as much, if not
more, to blame when we come to look at lifestyles of young
people.
PAUL
Well, we’re saying that now, aren’t we, but
that wasn’t the first thing you said. You said that New
Zealand women are amongst the most promiscuous in the
world.
COLIN
And I did say that in the context of a discussion
around contraception for women, but the very next sentence I
said on radio was clearly about men and their
responsibility.
PAUL
Well, what about men and their promiscuity? Because
if women are being promiscuous, men, on the whole, have to
be as well, don’t
they?
COLIN
Sure. And, look, as a party, we’re about personal
responsibility We’ve got 13,000 fathers who have skipped
to Australia, putting absolutely zero dollars towards
supporting their kids, and the good, hard-working people of
New Zealand are stepping in, and that’s where we see a
problem.
PAUL
Well, what are you going to do
about that?
COLIN
Well, I think we need to start tracking them down.
We’ve got tax agreements with Australia. Let’s broaden
it to include child
support
PAUL
You’re a very strong and committed Christian, I
know. Are you OK with women having sex before marriage? Can
I just clear that up? And if they
do-?
COLIN
According to some, I’m a very strong, committed
Christian. I’m not a church-goer. I would call myself a
Christian.
PAUL
You’ve got the prayers in the
office.
COLIN
Well, once a week. I thought it was quite
interesting, actually. John Key says, ‘We won’t do that
in Parliament’, but, of course, Parliament opens with a
prayer. My view is and the party view is simply that people
are free to make their choices. That’s about individual
freedom, but they’re also free to pay the cost of their
own choices, and that’s about personal responsibility.
PAUL
There are also matters of supporting people who are
vulnerable. Isn’t that an important point as
well?
COLIN
Yeah, I think it is an important point. But around
this welfare debate, we’re saying personal responsibility
has to come front and centre or we’re actually not going
to change the
situation.
PAUL
Can I just clear that up? Are you OK with women
having sex before marriage? And if they have sex before
marriage, does that make you think they’re probably a bit
promiscuous?
COLIN
It’s their choice to decide. I’m very committed
to that. See, I’m not anybody’s judge and jury for their
lifestyle. I don’t want to be. I don’t think I’d be
the best person for it. But I am also very clear about the
fact that I do think people need to be responsible for their
own lives. And when we’re coming to discussion around
welfare reform, and the government’s proposing spending
$520 million over the next four years, I think we are asking
a question, ‘Hey, where is the personal
responsibility?’
PAUL
They’re spending 1 million bucks to help
vulnerable people avoid having more
children.
COLIN
You’re picking at one small
part-
PAUL
That’s one part of making people responsible for
themselves, isn’t it? Just helping
them.
COLIN
Well,… I noticed that this discussion, it’s
always about the little thing - this is right, this is
right, this is right. We’re talking about a total spend of
$520 million over four years on welfare. It is, like all
things-
PAUL
Which part of
welfare?
COLIN
Well, it’s across a broad section. That’s what
the National Party have
released.
PAUL
All right. Let’s not get into the numbers. Can I
just move on. Do you want to apologise to New Zealand women
for any misconception about what you
said?
COLIN
I don’t wish to apologise, but I do wish to
remind everyone that I said men were just as, if not more,
responsible for their behaviour. I believe that very
deeply.
PAUL
What you said was young New Zealand women are
amongst the most promiscuous in the
world.
COLIN
I did say that, and I believe that to be
true.
PAUL
Right-oh. Let’s move on. The politics: I wonder,
did you let yourself down last week? You’re going well all
week. Suddenly Mr Banks is very vulnerable. He’s up the
river in a cabbage boat, or down the river in a cabbage
boat. Things are going well for you. You’re on the news
every night. Suddenly people say you’re very visible, and
then suddenly you’re denouncing a sincere attempt to
discourage pregnancy amongst the most vulnerable women with
the assertion that New Zealand women are promiscuous. And
the Prime Minister flicked you off, dismissed it, rolled his
eyes. Paula Bennett flicked it off. You were flicked off
like a flake. Did that discourage you in terms of any
political ambitions you might have with the
Nats?
COLIN
Yeah, not at all. The only sad thing about that was
I wish that they would look at the research. I think they
need to understand the people of this country, and I think
what we’ve got here is political correctness. I suspect
they actually know that it might be so, but they just
don’t wish to acknowledge
it.
PAUL
Or is it something one doesn’t say. Maybe it’s
right round the world, maybe it’s been going on for
generations. People have
sex
COLIN
Well, they absolutely do. But the point I’m
saying is we’re going to have a welfare debate, and we
are. We’re talking about welfare reform, and if the
government’s going to involve itself in the bedroom of the
people of this country, then I actually think you do need to
know the stats and figures and what’s going
on.
PAUL
Well, let’s just finish that off, though, because
what she’s actually trying to do is she’s actually
trying to curb further pregnancies through the use of a
welfare tool.
COLIN
Yes, that is, as I understand that particular
point.
PAUL
Anyway, the perception, I think, is that you blew
it with that one bizarre
comment.
COLIN
Well, look, I’m always going to be speaking my
mind. As I say, I think it was a true comment. If people
want a politically correct conservative party, then
they’re not going to find it in the Conservative
Party.
PAUL
Do you think the time may come where the Nats will
have to deal with
you?
COLIN I
think it
will.
PAUL
And when do you think that might
be?
COLIN
Well, I mean, we would hope next election. But
let’s be realistic. We’re only seven months old as a
party. We’ve made phenomenal progress, but it’s a long
haul, and we’re going to build it over
time.
PAUL
You’ve called the National Party, however- I
mean, I wonder how well disposed they’re going to be to
you, because you’ve called them in one of your election
flyers ‘muddling, dodgy, having contempt for the
voters’. Talked about back-room deals. Do you still think
all of that applies to the
Nats?
COLIN
Yeah, as long as those are read in context, I
believe all those
comments.
PAUL
What
context?
COLIN
Well, for example, around the economy. I actually
think they are muddling through, and I don’t expect to
really see any bold, new initiative in this Budget, and I
think that’s a
shame.
PAUL
Quick reaction to gay marriage. Obama openly backs
it. Mr Shearer and Mr Key do as well. Could
you?
COLIN
Yeah, no, I couldn’t. I actually don’t think
the majority of New Zealanders want to redefine marriage. We
have civil unions. We have addressed the issue in this
country, come up with what I think is a satisfactory
conclusion.
PAUL
Yes. If two people love each other, no matter what
sex they are, and they want to be together and they want to
marry, why shouldn’t they? Can I ask you, do you think God
really minds?
COLIN
(CHUCKLES) Well, why don’t we ask a theologian
that? You’re talking to a politician. Does the
Conservative Party really mind about personal choice? No.
Does the Conservative Party care about the definition of
marriage? We believe the people of New Zealand would rather
have the status
quo.
PAUL
Mr Craig, thank you very much for coming on the
programme.
COLIN
Thank you,
Paul.
ENDS