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Rice Interview With Jackie Northam of NPR

Interview With Jackie Northam of NPR

Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Abu Shouk Camp, Al Fashar, Sudan
July 21, 2005

MS. NORTHAM: (Off-mike.)

SECRETARY RICE: (Inaudible) The international community expects the Jingaweit to be disarmed. I heard some reasons why it was difficult to do and so forth. I repeated that the international community, the United Nations Security Council expects -- believe that the Jingaweit is going to have to be disarmed. So we will see.

The point that I would like to underscore is that there is a parallel process in place of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement between the north and the south that will put in place the National Unity Government. Many members of whom, by the way, were representatives of people who lived in terrible conditions and under great brutality in the south. And so perhaps with that perspective now, in the Government of Khartoum, the Government will move more quickly to deal with some of these problems.

MS. NORTHAM: So if you don't have a good government in Khartoum, a good solid, national unity government, does that mean that Darfur will not get results?

SECRETARY RICE: Well, Darfur has to get results. But we certainly are going to need a government in Khartoum that recognizes its responsibility. And the international community does have tools to require accountability and to insist on accountability. I want to give the new government an opportunity, a chance. We talked today for, instance, about some things that could be done about violence against women, which is clearly a problem. And so we will be in touch with the Government in Khartoum, we'll be in touch as they move towards national unity. But all of Sudan needs to be for all Sudanese so they need to accept responsibility for Darfur and for East Darfur.

MS. NORTHAM: I'm just (inaudible) that I think the (inaudible) with skepticism of the international community. And I wonder about your administration and how long you're willing to be able to (inaudible?)

SECRETARY RICE: Well, I can't put a timetable on it, obviously. But the international (inaudible) with excuses for why things cannot move forward and get done. And the Comprehensive Agreement, which we do want to succeed because remember that the people of the south who now depend on this Comprehensive Agreement to better their conditions, need to understand that that's going to move forward. So this is complex in that we do want the Comprehensive Agreement to move forward. We do want to be able to deliver assistance to people who have suffered under the civil war that has just ended. And yet, we'd have to say to the new National Unity Government, we know that you have a great deal to do, but Darfur has got to be right at the top of the list.

MS. NORTHAM: One last question. I understand that they were interested in things like motor parts, like airlines and that sort of thing. Is that a system where you could ensure that this going to go forward, the carrot and the stick?

SECRETARY RICE: Well, we haven't decided about the issues with sanctions that (inaudible.) The case that they made is a logistical problem for getting assistance into areas like this (inaudible) the south. I'll go back and assess that argument.

QUESTION: But would that be option, is there --

SECRETARY RICE: Well, I think --

QUESTION: (Inaudible) not popularize anything?

SECRETARY RICE: Yeah, I think we had a good look at the argument that's going to be an issue for humanitarian reasons. And obviously, you know, if there is a case (inaudible) management, the humanitarian side, that we'd be willing to look at it. But I have to go and have people that I know -- actually, make that a (inaudible) (Laughter.)

QUESTION: (Inaudible) and thanks a lot. 2005/T12-11

Released on July 21, 2005


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