Secretary's Remarks: Interview With NPR
Secretary's Remarks: Interview With Renee Montagne of NPR
Interview With Renee Montagne of
NPR
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
*As Aired*
London, United Kingdom
SECRETARY CLINTON:
Military action is not enough alone. It has to be mixed with
political and development work. And I think everyone has
realized, as we did in Iraq, that you have to begin to go
right at the insurgents and peel those off who are willing
to renounce violence, renounce al-Qaida, agree to live by
the laws and constitution of Afghanistan and re-enter
society.
QUESTION: Although -- obviously,
Afghanistan is not Iraq. And I think there might be those
who are hearing this this week, Americans, knowing that
American fighting forces are in Afghanistan putting up and
just beginning a surge for a big fight with the Taliban. And
it would be a surprise and maybe even disturbing to hear
that there's now talk of talking to the
Taliban.
SECRETARY CLINTON: You can't have one
without the other. Only a surge of military forces alone
without any effort on the political side is not likely to
succeed. Only an effort to try to make peace with your
enemies without the strength to back it up is not going to
succeed.So, in fact, this is a combined strategy that makes
a great deal of sense.
Now, I think underlying your question is the concern of people who say well, wait a minute, those are the bad guys. Why are we talking to them? We're not going to talk to the really bad guys because the really bad guys are not ever going to renounce al-Qaida, renounce violence, and agree to re-enter society. That is not going to happen to Mullah Omar and the like. But there are so many fighters in the Taliban who are there because, frankly, it's a way of making a living in a very poor country where the Taliban pay them a lot more than they can make as a farmer or in some other line of work out in the countryside. So we're already seeing people coming off the battlefield.
There was a big story in one of the papers
today about the military working with a whole tribe in
effect to give them an alternative to either being on the
sidelines or siding with the Taliban.
QUESTION: It's interesting you mention the
article that's in The New York Times. The tribe is
the largest Pashtun tribe in Afghanistan, something like
400,000 members. And basically, what they said was we are
going -- the tribe has pledged, all its leaders have
pledged, to fight the Taliban, for as big as it is, quite a
first.
The money that came from the American commanders
went directly to the tribe, bypassed the government. How do
you work out in a sense the tension between going directly
to the people who are trying to do something, the tribal
groups such as they are in Afghanistan, and also trying to
support a government? In this case, the tribal group said
they didn't trust the government to help them.
SECRETARY CLINTON : Well, there are two
interconnected approaches. The story you're describing was a
story of our American military making this decision
similarly to what they had done in Iraq where individuals
were given incentives to leave the battlefield -- tribal
elders, villages.
The second aspect of this is what's
called the reintegration fund that will be set up and funded
by international donors. A number of countries have made
some significant contribution commitments.. And I think
that's smart because this has to be agile and flexible and
fluid depending upon the
circumstances.
QUESTION: Secretary Clinton,
you were the first Secretary of State, and I think I'm right
on this, who has put a big focus on women's rights. When you
look ahead to integrating the Taliban, even those who have
renounced violence, which of course they would have to do
for that to happen, back into society and into some sort of
political empowerment, are you worried about the effect that
this might have -- the negative effect this might have on
Afghan women?
SECRETARY CLINTON: I am
concerned, and I've spoken about it with a number of Afghan
women and advocates for Afghan women. If the
--
QUESTION: And are they worried about
it?
SECRETARY CLINTON: They are. They're
worried because they don't know quite what it means and I
think that's fair. I don't think there is cause for alarm
that the current government or any foreseeable government
will turn the clock back like that so long as there is
enough power in the state and through the new Afghan
security forces to make sure that there is never a
resurgence of the Taliban that could come close to taking
over large parts of the country. That's what we're
preventing.
I don't want us to be so diverted into our military and security efforts or the political peace efforts that we forget this country still needs a lot of development, and the only way, in my opinion, that Afghanistan has a chance to develop is if women are given the opportunity to participate fully.
QUESTION:
President Karzai said this week that he expects Western
troops to be in Afghanistan for at least another decade. Is
that a timeline that makes sense to you?
SECRETARY
CLINTON: Well, I don't believe that most Western troops
will be in a combat role, but there are in many countries
Western troops who do training of national armies or police.
There are Western troops that provide intelligence,
logistics, et cetera. But it won't be as it is today where
we are putting in thousands more troops -- 30,000 from our
own country, 9,000 from other countries. That's not going to
be there for 10 years. But I would imagine there will be
continuing military assistance and liaison, which is common
around the world.
QUESTION: Could you give me
-- what would be an example of talking to let's say a mid
level Taliban? I mean, will American officials sit down with
Taliban? Would they work through -- what is the
practicalities of that?
SECRETARY CLINTON:
Well, Renee, I don't know that I can answer that because I
think that this is a very new effort. It's a case-by-case
effort. There already have been Taliban who have left and I
think it is, for me, just the beginning. And how it goes
will be a little bit like jazz. I mean, we're not sure; we
can't lay it out completely. But there are a lot of
so-called members of the Taliban who want out.
QUESTION: And of course, Western troops in a
way want to get out of Afghanistan. Is this an exit
strategy?
SECRETARY CLINTON: It's not an exit
strategy; it is part of our comprehensive strategy. You have
to have a very tough-minded attitude about this. This is not
sweetness and light. You're dealing with a very difficult,
complex phenomenon. A lot of things are moving in the right
direction.
But most wars, most conflicts these days, don't end with a victory on the battlefield. So you've got to go at it in different ways. We found how to do it in Iraq. We've got some of the same people that worked on this in Iraq working with General McChrystal in Afghanistan, and I think we're headed in the right direction.
QUESTION: Secretary Clinton, thank you
very much.
SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you. Good
to talk to
you.
ENDS