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Cablegate: Goc Response Re 2008 Us-Canada Bilateral


DE RUEHOT #1954/01 2951838
P 221838Z OCT 07




E.O. 12958: N/A

REF: STATE 133852

1. (SBU) In response to reftel demarche regarding the
upcoming Bilateral Consultative Group (BCG) meeting in
Washington, Deputy Director for Counterterrorism Yves
Beaulieu and Policy Advisor Neil Brennan from the
International Crime and Terrorism Division of the Department
of Foreign Affairs and International Trade made suggestions
and comments on our agenda (see paras 2 and 3). In general,
the GOC is in agreement with our list of topics, however.
The GOC team would nonetheless like to know what general
priorities General Dailey sees for the relationship, but
added that it is still too early to assign leads in the
various areas. Also, the GOC team wants a meeting that is
not too mechanical in flow -- e.g. lead, response, on to the
next item -- and would like it to be more open in terms of
discussion and a flow of ideas, with the option of hovering
on an item if it deserves more attention.

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2. (SBU) January 16

-- Most GOC participants will fly to Washington on the
evening of 16 January. Senior Coordinator for International
Crime and Terrorism Mark Moher will come down either the
evening of the 15th or the morning of the 16th. Moher 4
will be available for a heads of delegation meeting on the
afternoon of the 16th. (Note: Beaulieu was not sure if this
will be the first time that General Dailey and Moher will
meet; they may also meet on the margins of the G-8 meeting in
Berlin November 5-8. If it is the first time, Moher would be
available for lunch, if we are so inclined. End note);

-- The GOC team likes the idea of doing a focused threat
briefing (primarily who and what) on the afternoon of January
16 to allow for a more frank and detailed discussion, in
contrast to last year;

-- The GOC team agrees to a final discussion of the text of
the Joint Declaration and promised to convey its views soon.
The team is still not sure of the level of signing of the
Joint Declaration on the Canadian side but continues to see
this document as a deliverable for the BCG;

-- Beaulieu suggested for the pre-meeting a quick review of
the outstanding proposals from the last meeting, and raised
the issue of a brief discussion of key regional issues such
as Iran in this small venue before the larger group convenes.

3. (SBU) January 17

-- The GOC proposes the following for the meeting flow:

a. Principals present policy implications of the earlier
threat assessment (modification of our #1);

b. Outstanding Issues (our #2):

* Beaulieu said we need to go over these and see where they
stand. He could only remember the invitation to participate
in US training courses (e.g. FSI), but noted that this did
not pan out;

* GOC team would like to be realistic about accomplishments
and our level of cooperation and to avoid only considering
this list when it is time for the next BCG; if that is what
we have done, the team would welcome a discussion of how
better to follow-up.

c. Follow-up on Bioterrorism Engagement (our #3): The GOC
team sees this as one of the more successful bilateral
programs and wants us to update where things stand and how we
keep it progressing;

d. Cooperative Counterterrorism Research and Development (R &
D) (our #4): Beaulieu noted that last year we spent ninety
minutes in plenary discussing this topic, and recommended
that we limit this to a very brief overview presentation on
current activities and future challenges by representatives
current activities and future challenges by representatives
of the two programs and that there be a breakout session at
some point to permit more detailed discussions at the working
level, on which the group could receive a briefing at the end
of the session;

-- NEW ISSUE: Perspectives on G8 Roma Lyon Process. The GOC
team is interested in our priorities, how we will work with
Japan, etc., and would welcome a discussion on how we will
approach this, to include Critical Infrastructure Protection,
PPP, and Cyber proposals;

-- NEW ISSUE: Geographic and Regional Issues -- Western
Hemisphere and Asia. Because of Canada's new focus on the
hemisphere, the GOC would welcome a discussion of CT issues
in the region. Because of the criticality of Afghanistan,
the GOC team also wants to compare notes on Afghanistan and
Pakistan. Beaulieu noted that we would need to limit the
Afghanistan discussion to a few focused issues;

e. U.S.-Canada Counterterrorism Concerns (our #5):

* Beaulieu emphasized that the GOC does not want to repeat
what is already under discussion in other fora (e.g. border
control, passports, visas, etc.);

* The GOC team would rather open this up for specific
concerns from both sides. If we stick to the issues we are
proposing they would like add a few of theirs.

f. Strategies and Options for Dealing with Terrorist
Financing (our #6)

* The GOC team proposed making this less operational and more
strategic in focus than what we proposed;

* The GOC team would like to see presentations by FINTRAC and
FINCEN on their strategic approaches;

* The GOC team wants to include a G-8 discussions update if
there are issues remaining after fall meetings.

g. TOPOFF 4: Exchange of views on the completed exercise
(our #7)

h. Briefing on USG Regional Strategic Initiative (our #8)

i. Recent Developments in National Security Issues (CHANGE
to our #9 away from changes to their organization in the
direction of policy changes)

* Canadian Anti-terrorism Act review;

* Canadian issue of Security Certificates.

j. Radicalization and Outreach (our #10)

* GOC team recommended discussion at a higher, strategic
level, perhaps including the RCMP's new unit to work with
minority communities;
* Challenges and Responses;

* Lessons learned.

k. U.S.-Canada cooperation to promote capacity building and
assistance programs (#11)

* GOC team proposed a focus on places where there is a clear
need for us to work together, not just compare notes on where
we are working individually.

4. (SBU) Administrative and Technical Issues

-- Beaulieu recommended that, if we are to host a dinner, it
be on the evening of January 17. This would "capture" the
GOC participants and ensure that they do not start leaving on
the afternoon before the session concludes;

-- Beaulieu said one of the interagency team wanted to ensure
that Iran fits prominently in the program, and asked for our
views on which block would provide enough time;

-- Beaulieu suggested that Director Moher would also benefit
from meetings in Washington with CIA, FBI, NCTC, noting that
Moher could possibly come down a day early for these;

-- The team asked to know soonest if the meeting will be held
in Washington, D.C. or outside the city in order to plan
travel now.

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