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Conversation with Noel Cheer on Face TV: Sir Ray Avery

On changing the world for the better

The guest this week In Conversation with Noel Cheer on Face Television declares that his adopted country, New Zealand, is a country of geniuses.  He contrasts us with Australia by conceding that, while Australia is a “lucky” country, New Zealand is the “clever” country.

Sir Ray Avery's life story is a rags-to-at-least-comparative-riches story.  It’s a Pygmalion story too – lifted from the gutter to the science lab and then on to philanthropic entrepreneurship.  And it’s about giving to others in need some of the good fortune that he has received.  

At the end of his autobiography he has printed a poem by Steve Jobs – the late genius of Apple Computers.  Jobs ends his poem:  “ … the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones that do.”  Sir Ray dedicates his autobiography to such crazy people.

"In Conversation with Noel Cheer", Face Television, Monday June 24th at 7:00pm, repeated on Tuesday June 25th at 12 noon

Face Television, the home of public broadcasting, is found on Sky Television Channel 83 and can also be received in the Auckland region on UHF Channels 41, 42 and 52.  It is also live-streamed on  The website carries programme schedules.   Some recent episodes of In Conversation can be viewed at

"In Conversation with Noel Cheer" receives funding from New Zealand on Air.  This has enabled us to introduce viewers to over 260 New Zealanders on Air (as well as visitors to New Zealand) during more than six years of unbroken weekly public-interest broadcasting


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